The young stars of
Galactica - Aaron Douglas, Kandyse McClure, Nicki Clyne and Paul
Campbell - get together to talk about Season Two on DVD ... with
hilarious results!
They play it deadly serious
on screen, but in real life the actors from Battlestar Galactica laugh a
lot. I'm sitting in the boardroom of a PR firm in Central London, at a
table surrounded by Aaron Douglas (Chief Petty Officer Tyrol), Kandyse
McClure (Dualla), Nicki Clyne (Cally) and Paul Campbell (Billy Keikeya).
These actors have spent the weekend in Daventry at a convention, and
today they're lined up to promote the show's second season, which is now
available on DVD. They're in a riotous mood: even the opening of a
coffee pot, which releases a quiet 'pfffft' noise, is enough to send
Aaron and Paul into uncontrollable fits of giggles for several minutes.
Stop it now, you lot, I've got serious questions ...
You've just flown in from
a Sci-Fi convention. Do you enjoy doing them?
Nicki: What's really
cool is it's important for actors to get out there and meet the audience
they're playing for. You can get a different perspective on the show, on
your character, and you can learn a lot.
Kandyse: The fans
have really good insights.
Nicki: Our world can
get a little insular on the set with our peers, and the producers and
the writers. We all talk about the show, but we are very much inside our
own characters. It's good to have a different perspective.
Why do you think the
series is so successful?
Kandyse: Tricia
Helfer. Scantily clad! [laughs] You know, it's real Human experiences.
The writers try to create a form that discusses unpleasant, difficult
things that happen in the world. I think people need those questions.
Paul: It reaches a
broad audience too. It's not the typical Sci-Fi genre, it's not camp in
any way.
Kandyse: There are no
aliens!
Paul: It could be The
West Wing in Space. Even the visual effects, which are phenomenal, don't
make you suspend your disbelief. If you are willing to accept some of
the Sci-Fi stuff then it's accessible for anyone.
Nicki: I don't know
how many people I've met who have resisted it because it's Science
Fiction... Once they give it a chance, they are blown away. I think
every person who has watched at least one episode has been hooked and
never looked back. They're like, 'I can't believe I've waited this long
to check it out'.
Kandyse: The number
one thing people say to me is 'I was never a Sci-Fi fan, but I bought
the box set of your show the other day'.
Paul: It's kind of
like crystal meth. 'I never wanted to try it, but I tried it once at a
party...'
You mention The West Wing
- I've heard that comparison a few times before...
Paul: That was always
the aim of Mary McDonnell, who plays President Roslin. She wanted the
highest standard, and always said, 'This has got to be The West Wing'.
She would fight for the political plotline to be as big as the military
stuff. People love to see action, but she fought for every inch of that
thing. She's done a great job with it - she's such a damned good actor.
Paul, your character was
killed off in Season Two's Sacrifice. Did you know that was coming?
Paul: I did know it
was coming eventually because it was my choice. I didn't know exactly
when but they gave me a few episodes warning for it.
It must have been a hard
choice to make, especially as the show was really hitting its stride...
Paul: Absolutely. But
[that success] didn't really affect what I was doing on the show so
much. There were a lot of attempts over the course of the first season
and the beginning of the second to write bigger and better stuff for the
character, but I don't think it was ever designed that way. I absolutely
loved the show, but Billy wasn't going to become the President and take
over. he was always going to be somebody's sidekick - which is fine,
that was a lot of fun but I figured that in five or six years down the
road if I hadn't taken a real shot at permanent unemployment, I'd be
real angry with myself...
Kandyse: Isn't that
what an actor is?
Paul: It's what
this actor is, now!
Kandyse: Not true.
And we were sad to see him go.
Aaron, you got some
really heavy stuff in the second series... especially as Tyrol began to
slip into dark depression.
Aaron: The chief is
one of David Eick's favourite characters, and he likes to put me into
the most difficult situations he possibly can and see what I do with it.
I'm very blessed that they recognize they can give me something to do
and I can pull it off. Season Two had a lot more of stuff for the Chief,
it took that big heavy turn at the end there and I got to work with Dean
Stockwell which was an amazing experience. In Season Three it has just
kept going - in the first four or five episodes he's really dark, it's
really heavy stuff. they actually phoned me and warned me there was some
really dark stuff coming up. I read the script and thought they were
amazing, but the challenge for me was doing it and keeping him as
likeable character. The fans seem to like him.
Do you find it easy to
tune in and out of that kind of mood on set?
Aaron: I'm a dark
grumpy person to begin with. I like bossing people around. It comes
easily to me.
The show is so intense on
screen...
Aaron: it is a very
dark show. It's shot darkly, the scripts are dealing with stuff that is
very analogous to all the horrible things that are going on in the world
today. There are a few in Season Three, a little sweet family stuff...
Nicki: You get to see
a different side to our characters.
I have to say I thought
the last episode of Season Two was phenomenal. Can Season Three match
that?
Aaron: When people
ask me about Season Two I'd say, 'If you liked Season One, then Season
Two is better'. Now I tell people, 'Season Three is even better than
Season Two'. It's absolutely remarkable: the first four or five episodes
are the best the show has ever done. I've seen rough cuts of the first
five and they are stupendous.
Where are you up to in
terms of shooting?
Aaron: We're about to go on
our mid-season break.
Nicki: We've shot 11
episodes.
Aaron: Which is
actually 12, because three episodes have been split up into two. We then
go back for eight episodes.
I've been watching the
DVDs, and it's amazing how many deleted scenes are on there. Sometimes
there's about 12 minutes for an episode, far more than any other
series...
Aaron: The ensemble
cast is so huge, and the writers are trying to keep up so many
storylines. the scripts need to be about 42 pages and then they write
them and they are about 65. They then take out 15 pages, but there are
still 50. It's about a page a minute when they shoot it, so when they
edit it they have to take off another 13 minutes, which is very
difficult for these guys to do. A lot of scenes get chopped in half, and
some scenes go away completely. They are huge ambitious scripts and they
have to just waste some of it.
It must be really
frustrating if you love a scene but it doesn't make it to the episode?
Nicki: We have to
trust the writers and editors that they have a better grasp of the
bigger picture and what's necessary and what's not. Another reason is
sometimes we get to set and things happen and we come up with new stuff
that works better. If they feel that that helps the story along better,
then they will use that. It's tough sometimes if you really are attached
to a scene but at least you can always take comfort that people will get
to see it eventually on the DVD.
Paul: At the same
time, there are a lot of scenes that you love that get cut. But there
really aren't any scenes that you didn't love. The good stuff gets on
the air.
Kandyse: And at least
you got to do the scene...
Nicki: That's the
part we care about!
Do you own the DVDs
yourselves?
Aaron: The studio
sends us the box sets.
Kandyse: Some of us
watch more than others.
Paul: I don't have a
box set.
Aaron: That's because
you're dead!
Do you watch them?
Nicki: It's really
important for actors to see what everybody else does too. Things can
change so much from what's on the page to what's on the screen, so you
get your information just from the last revisions of the script you
might not understand what's really happening in the storyline.
Kandyse: Sometimes I
watch the show and almost forget that I'm in it. I just get caught up in
how it looks. I know I was there when a scene was shot, but I can see
how much depth it has, the beautiful work that the camera and sound guys
do.
Nicki: I think part
of what makes our show so unique is you can tell that everyone who works
on it, from the crew that's there every day to people in the editing
room and actors, everyone loves it.
Aaron: I have to
watch the DVDs because I never read the scripts and I have no idea
what's going on.
Nicki: 'So that's
what she was talking about when I was saying those lines!'
Aaron: So that's
Apollo, huh? Actually, Nicki just reads the lines to me, and then I say
them back to her.
Nicki: When he's
talking you can see my lips moving too.
There are so many Sci-Fi
series shot in Vancouver - do you end up bumping into the actors from
other shows?
Aaron: Yes. We see
the Stargate guys. then we walk back to our set and go, 'Stargate is
poo!'
Kandyse: In the words
of Jamie Bamber.
Aaron: Paul
McGillion, who plays Carson Beckett on Atlantis, is a good friend of
mine, I know Rainbow Sun Francks very well. Chris Judge and I are good
buddies.
Nicki: Vancouver is
such a small city, especially within the acting community, almost every
actor I know has been on our show in some capacity. I'll go into the
make-up trailer and sometimes and see a friend and I'll be like, 'Oh
they're on our show, then!'
A lot of you have done
guest spots on...
Nicki: on everything!
So who's been on
Smallville?
[Everyone raises a hand]
Nicki: We've all done
it. Once a show has been on a number of years, they go through the
talent list.
Kandyse: I had a
great time on Smallville. They actually called me and I was in Los
Angeles, and they flew me up. I felt really special because that never
happens - I'd auditioned for them so many times and it had never gone
through. I was on the plane reading the script going 'Wow, this is
surreal'. I had so much fun. Tom Welling was very gracious on set. The
girls were just so level headed. I know Kristen Kreuk and Allison Mack
socially and they are just such great people to work with. The show
works like clockwork, it runs very smoothly... and that never happens on
our show!
Who's been on The Dead
Zone?
[Everyone raises a hand,
except Kandyse]
Kandyse: Damn! Can't
get on that show!
Paul: That was my
first show. It was just phenomenal because I grew up watching Anthony
Michael Hall in Sixteen Candles, Weird Science... I was like, 'That's
Anthony Michael Hall!!' It was surreal, I was like, 'Am I really on set?
Am I really doing this?' I trained in theatre and it was my first time
ever in front of a camera and it was such a cool experience to sit down
in front of someone I grew up watching, read a few lines, have some fun
and go to the craft service table and fill my face. having someone take
care of me and lead me to my trailer was amazing. And to be honest I
still get that feeling when I go on set. I'm still, 'This is my
trailer!' then the pay cheque came, and it was awesome!
Nicki: I remember my
first pay cheque. I figured they overpaid me and I had the moral dilemma
of whether I should call... I ended up calling my agent and saying, 'I
think this is out'. And she said, 'No, that's right'. But I do have one
complaint about working on the shows I've done in Vancouver. I'm always
dirty. I've worked on Dark Angel as a character called Fixit where I was
dirty. Even on Dead Zone I was in a mine when there was an explosion and
I was dirty and burned. I'm afraid I'm going to get typecast.
Kandyse: You're the
dirty girl!
Paul: She's dirty!!
Kandyse: I'm always
stealing somebody's boyfriend.
Aaron: And what about
on the shows?
Kandyse: I love you
guys,
Nicki: It's one of
the downsides of living in a small town. Kandyse is always stealing your
boyfriend.
Kandyse: I'm sorry. I
can't help myself.
Who's been on Dark Angel
then?
[That's everyone but Paul]
Paul: That was before
I started acting.
Kandyse: I worked with James
Cameron on that on the last two episodes. He was great. He definitely
had control on the set. He definitely had a mind as to what he wanted
done. He worked that crew, he challenged all the departments to put
their best foot forward and accomplished something. Also that script was
monumental - they were shooting a feature film. He came over and said,
'Hi', he seemed really excited to be there, but he demanded the best. It
was the end of the season, everyone was just petered out, but they were
all just so excited and honoured to work with him.
How do you feel about the
Battlestar Galactica spin-off series, Caprica?
Aaron: We know very
little about it. All we know is that there is a spin-off series and the
basic premise, but past that we don't know anything. We're not going to
see scripts, we're not going to be in it. It's set 40 years before us.
Paul: Speak for
yourself about not being in it!
Aaron: Yeah, this is
William Senior... I think the show is a great idea. Ronald and David are
very excited about it. They have a writer who they gave the storyline
to, who has apparently written an amazing script. I know that Ron Moore
will make another amazing show. That's what he does, he puts out gold.
Paul: He just can't
help it!
Aaron: As hard as he
tries to make a pile of shite, he just can't do t.
You're not tempted to
feel a bit protective of your own series?
Nicki: It's totally
different.
Aaron: If it was
'Jamie Bamber takes a ship and goes to find Earth on his own', and it
was a show out of that... why Bamber and not me?!!
Nicki: I just feel
like maybe it's the end of an era. We were the kids that grew up and
were on our own, and we can do it on our own now. We love having the
producers on the set, and during the first season you'd always see Ron
Moore writing very quietly on set. And then there was David Eick filling
his plate at the refreshments table...
Aaron: David warned
her not to say anything about that...
Nicki: I like Edward
James Olmos's idea for a spin-off show, called 'Cally and the
Commander'.
Aaron: It's 55
minutes of Cally and the Commander making out...
I think we're back to
'dirty girl'...
Nicki: I'm sorry I
brought that up.
Back to Battlestar
Galactica: do you think the show should have a definite end point?
Aaron: They should
make a finite number of episodes of Battlestar Galactica and they
shouldn't drag it on. And I don't think Ron Moore will do it anyway - he
said he did one year too many of Star Trek: The Next Generation and he
won't do that with this show. He wants to pick and end spot. He has an
idea of what he wants the last few episodes to be. He wants to find the
end, and that's it/ So, at the outside, it's my guess that it will last
for five years. Three more to go!